Docker, CoreOS and fleet based deployments

There are a lot of moving parts here. The answer already posted is very good. I think there are going to be opinions in any answer you get. I thought I'd go through your punch list in my attempt at 100 bounty points :-)

I've been using CoreOS/Flannel/Kubernetes/Fleet everyday now for about 6 months. When you posted the url to the introduction I decided to watch it. Wow, great presentation. I think Brandon Philips is a very good teacher. I like the way he built upon each technology as he introduced it. I would recommend that tutorial to anyone.

CoreOS is a linux based operating system. It is very stripped down, nothing extra running. For me, it does these things:

• Auto updates. Does this well. Dual partitions, updates non-active, swaps active, falls back (I think, I have never experienced a fallback). The have tackled the 'how to update your operating system after you deploy' issue and made it relatively painless.
• systemd init system. This one took me a bit longer to like (being a /etc/init.d guy) but, after a while it grows on you. There is a pretty steep learning curve. Once you get what is going on you will like how systemd keeps the machine running specific things, dependencies, restarts (if you want), listening on sockets (like super initd) and spawning processes, d-bus (although I don't know much about this part yet). systemd lets you specify 'units' and units can have dependencies, pre and post processes, etc.
• basic services. I've copied the brief description line from each of the services that are running on my CoreOS system.
  • systemd - It provides a system and service manager that runs as PID 1 and starts the rest of the system
  • docker - Docker is an open source project to pack, ship and run any application as a lightweight container
  • etcd - etcd is a distributed, consistent key-value store for shared configuration and service discovery
  • sshd - sshd (OpenSSH Daemon) is the daemon program for ssh(1). Together these programs replace rlogin and rsh, and provide secure encrypted communications between two untrusted hosts over an insecure network.
  • locksmithd - locksmith is a reboot manager for the CoreOS update engine which uses etcd to ensure that only a subset of a cluster of machines are rebooting at any given time. locksmithd runs as a daemon on CoreOS machines and is responsible for controlling the reboot behaviour after updates.
  • journald - systemd-journald is a system service that collects and stores logging data.
  • timesyncd - systemd-timesyncd is a system service that may be used to synchronize the local system clock with a remote Network Time Protocol server
  • update_engine
  • udevd - systemd-udevd listens to kernel uevents. For every event, systemd-udevd executes matching instructions specified in udev rules. See udev(7).
  • logind - systemd-logind is a system service that manages user logins.
  • resolved - systemd-resolved is a system service that manages network name resolution. It implements a caching DNS stub resolver and an LLMNR resolver and responder.
  • hostnamed - This is a tiny daemon that can be used to control the host name and related machine meta data from user programs.
  • networkd - systemd-networkd is a system service that manages networks. It detects and configures network devices as they appear, as well as creating virtual network devices.

CoreOS doesn't necessarily require that everything that you want to run must be a container. It will run anything that a unix box will run. yum and apt-get are conspicuously missing, but wget is included. So, you can 'install' programs, libraries, even apt-get via wget and be on your way to polluting the CoreOS base. That wouldn't be good, though. You really do want to keep it pristine. To that end, they include a 'toolbox' which lets you run a container like sandbox to do your work that goes away when you log out of it.

My favorite part of CoreOS is the cloud-config. On first boot you can provide user_data called a cloud-config. It is a yaml file which tells the base CoreOS what to do when it boots the first time. This is where you install things like fleet, flannel, kubernetes, etc. It is a real easy way to get a repeatable install of a combination of your choosing on a VM. In a typical cloud-config I will write configuration files, copy files from other machines to install on the new machine, and create unit files that control the other processes we want CoreOS' systemd to manage (like flannel, fleet, etc). And it is completely repeatable.

Here is another interesting thing about CoreOS. You can modify the dependency and configuration of existing units. For example, CoreOS starts docker. But, I want to modify the startup sequence of docker, so I can add a drop-in configuration that augments the existing system docker configuration. I use this to drop-in the dependency for flannel before docker starts, so I can configure docker to use a flannel provided network. This isn't necessarily CoreOS, but, it does make it all fit together.

I think you can use cloud-config with Ubuntu as well as CoreOS, and you can do the same things. So, I think the benefit you get from CoreOS over Ubuntu would be that you get a new release often, the operating system is auto-updated, and you don't have anything 'extra' running (it's lean, and a reduced attack vector is fallout). CoreOS is tuned for docker (it is already running) and ubuntu doesn't have it already running. Although, you can create a cloud-config file that will make ubuntu run docker... In summary, I think you have CoreOS understood.

Another thing that you can get with CoreOS is support, directly from the company, either paid or unpaid. I have had many questions answered by the people at CoreOS via this forum and CoreOS Dev/CoreOS User Google groups.

Your fleet description is also pretty good. Fleet manages a cluster. A cluster is one or more CoreOS machines. So, if you are going to use fleet you must use CoreOS, I guess this would be another of those benefits of CoreOS over Ubuntu.

Much like how a Unit File for systemd controls running a process on a host, a Unit File for fleetd controls running a process on a cluster. There is a bit of syntactic sugar, but a Unit file for fleet is about the same as a unit file for systemd. They fit very well together. Fleet's unit files are saved in etcd's database, so once ingested the unit is persistent, even if the machine(s) that host the unit service go down, the unit description exists in etcd.

Fleet also has commands for listing my machines in my cluster, listing a unit file, showing the units that are running, etc. Basically you can submit units to run on the cluster (or all machines, or on a specific kind of machine (like with ssd drives), or on the same machine as something else is running (affinity), etc, etc).

Fleet keeps it running. If the machine goes away its units are going to be run on some other machine in the cluster.

In the tutorial you reference Brandon uses Fleet to launch Kubernetes. It is very simple to do. By making the Fleet unit files place Kubernetes on all machines in the fleet cluster, as machines are added and subtracted from the fleet cluster Kubernetes automatically uses that machine and schedules the Kubernetes to run on them. I have run my Kubernetes cluster like this as well. However, I don't do that much anymore. I am sure there is a benefit that I don't see, but, I feel like it is not necessary in my environment. Since I already boot my machines with a cloud-config file, it is trivial to put the Kubernetes node services directly in there. In fact, with cloud-config, if I wanted to use Fleet to boot the Kubernetes stuff, I would have to write the Fleet unit files, start Fleet, submit the unit files I wrote to Fleet, when I could just write a unit file to start the Kubernetes node. But I digress...

Fleet is a scheduling mechanism, just like Kubernetes. However, Fleet can start any executable just like systemd via a unit file, where Kubernetes is geared towards containers. Kubernetes allows definition of:

• replication controllers
• services
• pods
  • containers

(other stuff as well).

So, the assertion that Fleet is just a different 'layer' of scheduling is a good one. You might add that Fleet schedules different things. In my work I don't use the Fleet layer, I just jump directly to the Kubernetes because I am working only with containers.

Finally, the assertion about flannel is incorrect. Flannel uses etcd for its database. Flannel creates a private network for each host that it routes between them. The flannel network is handed to docker, and docker is told to use that network to assign ip addresses from. So, docker processes that use flannel can communicate with each other over ip. All of the port mapping stuff can be skipped since each container gets its own ip address. These docker processes can communicate infra and intra machine on the flannel network. I could be wrong, but I don't think there is any connection between Fleet and flannel. Also, I don't think etcd or Fleet use flannel to route their data. Etcd and Fleet route whether or not flannel is being used. Docker containers route their traffic over flannel.

-g

Yes, your understanding is pretty much correct.

Coreos is designed as a more secure operating system that autoupdates itself by default and runs the bare minimum in services to lessen any attack vector. http://www.activestate.com/blog/2013/08/alex-polvi-explains-coreos

Everything needs to either run in a container, be statically compiled (golang binaries as an example), or be a shell script. There is no python or ruby installed.

Containers/systemd units started by Fleet can be rescheduled on another node should its server fail (assuming you container is ephemeral) and should keep the requested number of instances running over the cluster, whilst obeying deployment constraints. https://coreos.com/using-coreos/clustering/

Mesos is more of a framework for a scheduler, you still need something else (chronos/marathon) to provide jobs to execute, but it is very flexible in that regard and handles utilising server resources better.

I don't have much experience with Flannel, but the new networking plugins coming in a future version of Docker may give you more options for container networking. http://blog.docker.com/2015/06/networking-receives-an-upgrade/

what objective benefits do I gain by going Docker/CoreOS vs. Docker/Ubuntu?

Technical benefits

The features that attract me to CoreOS are:

• It's a cluster, not a single-machine, OS
• It's built with failure in mind
• It's self-updating

CoreOS is a cluster, while Ubuntu is a single machine. With CoreOS when the machine a container is on disappears, the cluster starts the container somewhere else. When that Ubuntu server fails, its containers go down with it. CoreOS allows the machine to be disposable, which is a good thing.

With that said, keep in mind CoreOS does not handle data persistence; data stored in a container does not exist! ;) In my case I dynamically attach EBS volumes where needed.

Design benefits

To me more importantly, the technical benefits above bring along design benefits. Going into a system designing knowing, "this process will randomly disappear," is great for building resiliency. From the beginning, services are stateless and because you literally have no idea what system a dependent service is on, they must also be discoverable. CoreOS's etcd, a distributed configuration store, can be used to discover where a service is located. Finally, because processes may not be on the same machine, network-accessible services -- a must for horizontally-scalable systems -- are the only way to go.

All in all, I find CoreOS a great for building Twelve-Factor Apps and you get Chaos Monkey for free.

Fleet just seems like a scheduling engine, like Mesos or Kubernetes. Is it a direct competitor to these projects, or do they handle scheduling at different "layers" (different types of responsibilities)? If so, what are these distinctions?

Yes, Fleet schedules a container and determines where in a cluster it runs. If that machine disappears, Fleet also takes responsibility for re-launching it on a working machine.

I haven't taken a deep dive into Kubernetes, but there does appear to be overlap. The way I understand it thus far is that Fleet handles running a single container (a "unit"), while Kubernetes is complementary and orchestrates multiple units comprising a system. For example, Fleet ensures Postgres stays running; Kubernetes ensures your application, e.g. comprised of Postgres, Redis, and Django, are all humming away.